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Fair enough, fair enough. 
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It honestly surprises me, too. I'm not really sure why it happened, but ever since we put 3.0 in we've had significantly fewer problems. The database isn't quite as large as it was for 2.0 yet, though.
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System does not equal database? (LOL I know so much about that...)
Er, anyway, about all this stuff about threads.
I agree that they should be allowed to survive on Gobeldygook--provided they have any sort of point at all, instead of just being spam. The drunk thread? I would probably not have locked, personally, but I understand CM's reasoning.
The recent rash of threads beginning with "Disillustioned"? I would lock them. Why? They were spam, they had no topic or point (and if you say the topic was "random fun," then that could be posted in the OTT--yeah, it can't carry on a discussion for long--that thread was not a discussion.) Also, if it is posted in the Misc forum, we have every right to lock instead of move. Not to sound like a brat, but if the user can't understand that that post does NOT belong on Misc, then too bad if it gets shut down.
(In that case, they can go to the mod and ask it to be moved instead of locked. If a good reason is given this can be easily arranged!)
I guess what I'm saying is, random threads have a place. There's the OTT. Fun discussion threads can be put in Misc, fun threads like "post if you're drunk" can go in Gobeldygook, threads where the first post is an emoticon with no explanation or words or anything...are spam, IMO, and should be locked.
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| dPaladin wrote: | | While I've always found the idea of banning words kind of humorous, I wouldn't really be bothered by a word filter, as long as it didn't filter out stuff like assassin or snigger. |
Ah, good point... but it's always possible for people to get around them (in which case, we'd have to warn them as if they broke the original rule).
If we did do filters, I promise you they'd be funny ones. And I can make them random, too, like the fortune thing.
| Quote: | | EDIT: Wouldn't splitting Gobbledygook into two subforums increase the database size more than keeping everything in one forum would? Also, I don't mind pruning, since I rarely have to go back to old threads on these boards. |
I don't think folders make almost any difference - the text is what the database stores.
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Well, tbh avoiding wordfilters would be pretty stupid unless stuff like Dpal mentioned was in there too. I mean, yeah, there's variants, but you can tackle that if you want as they come.. and I doubt any of us are so malicious that we'd intentionally keep avoiding them.
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The way the filters work is with wildcards... I could choose to block "ass", "*ass", "ass*", "*ass*", etc... obviously only the first would be appropriate in this example.
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Right, yeah. That's cool. But you guys would only block some of the worse ones, right? As far as I've known, some words are alright (in usual moderation, of course). I hesitate to give examples and it's probably not necessary to have to spell out "you can say this one but not this one or this one" because that's silly.
At any rate, I don't see much problem with it. Chances are I'll wind up slipping an f-word somewhere and it'll save you all time, heh. |
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| Quote: | | Right, yeah. That's cool. But you guys would only block some of the worse ones, right? |
If we did it at all, yes. Obviously there's some gray area involved - another argument against wordfilters.
Of course, you never know. One day I could just go in there and change half the FCmidi memes into something else, ala 4chan.
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| Cheese Monkey wrote: | | The way the filters work is with wildcards... I could choose to block "ass", "*ass", "ass*", "*ass*", etc... obviously only the first would be appropriate in this example. |
Then again, full wildcard filtering isn't necessarily all bad -- Kyth used it on his oooold forum, and that's how we wound up wih such gems as "Parse the salt"!
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| Dr Fruitcake wrote: | | Then again, full wildcard filtering isn't necessarily all bad -- Kyth used it on his oooold forum, and that's how we wound up wih such gems as "Parse the salt"! |
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| Lucca Majere wrote: | | The recent rash of threads beginning with "Disillustioned"? I would lock them. Why? They were spam, they had no topic or point |
Can I just say why I disagree with this
- The first thread, Disillustioned, was made by Tdlicriftyth (I so wish he'd change his name) and (I think) not actually meant as spam. He's notorious for just getting a little bit down over certain things and also not really bothering to form proper sentences about them. Everything comes out of his brain backwards, he'll try and start a conversation with where he wants it to end up or something (sorry, but it's true). And he sometimes fails completely at spelling.
- The subsequent threads were just a piss-take, really. So yeah, those ones were spam and people jumping on a bandwagon, a bit like the "* is dead" threads. But the main point I wanted to make was that I don't THINK the first one was spam. |
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If that's the case, than I hope he realizes it could be taken that way.
We try to help others when they're down, but they kind of need to, like you said, form proper sentences and be coherent when they need help. To put it another way: this isn't MySpace. 
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| Cheese Monkey wrote: | | The way the filters work is with wildcards... I could choose to block "ass", "*ass", "ass*", "*ass*", etc... obviously only the first would be appropriate in this example. |
I haven't really found any problem with the profanities on the forums. Of course we'll get the odd naughty word, here and there. But, along with being mature enough to resist using them, I also think we have the right level of maturity to tolerate profanities.
Of course, you do liken us to 'screaming children'... So, it is easy to see where the concern is. 
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| Quote: | | Of course, you do liken us to 'screaming children'... So, it is easy to see where the concern is. |
Only in how some of you respond to moderation. Not language-related. You all seem to be mature enough to not need to use bad language on here.
Now, anyone who knows me (or anyone who remembers the old "Profanity" thread) knows that I cuss like ten sailors in certain situations (such as when video games stubbornly refuse to do what I want them to do ). But not here.
Originally, the rule was put in place on 1.0 because there were a good number of people who browsed these forums under the good graces of their parents. This number has dwindled significantly (if not entirely), but as I see it, we still should try to present ourselves as family-friendly so that "teh kiddies," as it were, can still come here. Why do I say that? Because the content of the rest of the forum - serious, mature discussion with the occasional game and random OTT stuff - all seem to be pretty light-hearted. In short, I like the "mood" of this place more than anything else. If that makes any sense.
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| Cheese Monkey wrote: | | Quote: | | Of course, you do liken us to 'screaming children'... So, it is easy to see where the concern is. |
Only in how some of you respond to moderation. Not language-related. You all seem to be mature enough to not need to use bad language on here.
Now, anyone who knows me (or anyone who remembers the old "Profanity" thread) knows that I cuss like ten sailors in certain situations (such as when video games stubbornly refuse to do what I want them to do ). But not here.
Originally, the rule was put in place on 1.0 because there were a good number of people who browsed these forums under the good graces of their parents. This number has dwindled significantly (if not entirely), but as I see it, we still should try to present ourselves as family-friendly so that "teh kiddies," as it were, can still come here. Why do I say that? Because the content of the rest of the forum - serious, mature discussion with the occasional game and random OTT stuff - all seem to be pretty light-hearted. In short, I like the "mood" of this place more than anything else. If that makes any sense. |
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Haha, I remember when kaos was posting as a guest, just because the rules said that you can't be a member 'till you're 13 without parental consent.
Actually I'm not sure if I remember that.... O_o
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| Sam wrote: | | Lucca Majere wrote: | | The recent rash of threads beginning with "Disillustioned"? I would lock them. Why? They were spam, they had no topic or point |
Can I just say why I disagree with this
- The first thread, Disillustioned, was made by Tdlicriftyth (I so wish he'd change his name) and (I think) not actually meant as spam. He's notorious for just getting a little bit down over certain things and also not really bothering to form proper sentences about them. Everything comes out of his brain backwards, he'll try and start a conversation with where he wants it to end up or something (sorry, but it's true). And he sometimes fails completely at spelling.
- The subsequent threads were just a piss-take, really. So yeah, those ones were spam and people jumping on a bandwagon, a bit like the "* is dead" threads. But the main point I wanted to make was that I don't THINK the first one was spam. |
See, now, first off, don't think I'm disagreeing with you. I agree. When I first saw the first topic, I thought it might have been intended to have a purpose. However, it did not convey any meaningful information, thereby not fullfilling its intended purpose. I understand he might have wanted to talk about something, but surely he could give us some hint instead of just putting a smiley? No matter what the intended purpose, the thread was spam because the first post didn't mean anything, really.
See what I'm getting at? I understand if he has trouble spelling, that's not the issue. If he had even put a simple sentance, something like "Feeling a little down" or "Life sucks, doesn't it?" that would have been something. But it was just a title and a smiley, and was very ambiguous. Then there were the responses, which didn't seem to be helping to clear up anything or ask anything relevant. Something can certainly be spam without intending to be, and if he were to remake that topic with a more substantal first post, I'm sure the mods would be fine with it.
Word filters are fine with me, if you see a need for them.
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| Quote: | See, now, first off, don't think I'm disagreeing with you. I agree. When I first saw the first topic, I thought it might have been intended to have a purpose. However, it did not convey any meaningful information, thereby not fullfilling its intended purpose. I understand he might have wanted to talk about something, but surely he could give us some hint instead of just putting a smiley? No matter what the intended purpose, the thread was spam because the first post didn't mean anything, really.
See what I'm getting at? I understand if he has trouble spelling, that's not the issue. If he had even put a simple sentance, something like "Feeling a little down" or "Life sucks, doesn't it?" that would have been something. But it was just a title and a smiley, and was very ambiguous. Then there were the responses, which didn't seem to be helping to clear up anything or ask anything relevant. Something can certainly be spam without intending to be, and if he were to remake that topic with a more substantal first post, I'm sure the mods would be fine with it. |
This is entirely true. In the best of cases, the drunk thread was a good (if unintentional) joke. "Disillustioned" was, in the best of cases, a thread with good intent but poor execution. What followed was pure spam, and anything like it does not have a place here.
Truth be told... and I know I've said this before, but... all this strikes me as just a step in turning this place into 4chan. And even if that were kosher with the majority of us, I have doubts as to its execution. On 4chan you make a joke thread, it stays around for a few minutes or maybe a couple hours, and then it dies before it can outstay its welcome. We can't implement something like that in Gobbledygook, because Gobbledygook has a sixty day pruning threshold - far, far too long for any of these threads to stick around. On top of that, given the fact that they'd be relatively easy to create (e.g. "so hay gaiz i spent last nite w/ur mom lol"), we could easily have so many of them that the game threads would be lost in the shuffle.
e.g.: (just making up these numbers, of course)
Thread #1: "so hay gaiz i spent last nite w/ur mom lol" - gets 7-8 replies
Thread #2: "" - gets 2 replies
Thread #3: "NO U" - gets 5-6 replies
Thread #4: "so hay gaiz i spent last nite w/ur mom lol" - gets maybe 1 reply because this thread already existed
Thread #5: "Actually, good sir, I do believe you're an arsecrumpet" - gets 10-12 replies
Thread #6: "MONKEYS!" - gets no replies
Thread #7: "so hay gaiz i spent last nite w/ur mom lol" - gets no replies for obvious reasons
Ask yourself this: are these really threads we should be keeping around for two months at a time? With only a bump necessary to reset that timer (and really, the only way to keep these alive IS by bumping them, which we don't endorse)? How long would it take to get this many of them in the board? Two, three days? At that rate of creation, what do you think Gobbledygook would look like in two months' time?
And besides that, why do they need their own threads in the first place? Imagine if Commy posted drunk in the OTT instead. It may not have lasted for four pages, no. But it would've gotten some replies, and then life would go on. Insisting that such things deserve their own threads just strikes me as a "hey, look at me!" kind of thing.
In short, right now I'm really feeling like the OTT should suit you guys' needs well enough. If a thread really has a point, then it belongs in Misc. or in another related forum. If it doesn't have a point, the OTT should be an appropriate place for it. If you really feel some burning need to make an exceedingly simple joke, well, 4chan still exists last time I checked.
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| Cheese Monkey wrote: | e.g.: (just making up these numbers, of course)
Thread #1: "so hay gaiz i spent last nite w/ur mom lol" - gets 7-8 replies
Thread #2: "" - gets 2 replies
Thread #3: "NO U" - gets 5-6 replies
Thread #4: "so hay gaiz i spent last nite w/ur mom lol" - gets maybe 1 reply because this thread already existed
Thread #5: "Actually, good sir, I do believe you're an arsecrumpet" - gets 10-12 replies
Thread #6: "MONKEYS!" - gets no replies
Thread #7: "so hay gaiz i spent last nite w/ur mom lol" - gets no replies for obvious reasons
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I think you're going a bit far with this. From what I can remember, all of the 'spam' threads were actually created with a reason. The "*is dead" one came from a lot of those threads being created, so it just turned into a bit of a joke. The "Dist*" ones were just taking the piss out of tfldldifkcriff because humanity is cruel, el oh el. And I think the "pubic hair" one came from a comment made in another thread.
I really don't think that the scenario you posted is EVER going to happen here. |
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Why not make a subforum for spam where every topic is pruned after going 24 hours without a reply?
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Because I don't think it's needed. It's not exactly very often that we have a spam thread bandwagon so there's no point in having a whole forum for them.
What I find slightly odd is how nobody cares when there's a post fad, like that "BLAH BLAH BLAH FAMILY FRIENDLY FORUM" thing but then whenever there's a topic one, it's all LOCKDOWN TIME. |
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| Quote: | | Truth be told... and I know I've said this before, but... all this strikes me as just a step in turning this place into 4chan. |
We're not asking to turn this into a spamboard where we post whatever pops into our head - all we're asking is, in instances where these kind of threads do happen, the threads don't get locked on the grounds of 'you could've posted this in the OTT' or 'this doesn't have a point.'
| Quote: | | In short, right now I'm really feeling like the OTT should suit you guys' needs well enough. If a thread really has a point, then it belongs in Misc. or in another related forum. If it doesn't have a point, the OTT should be an appropriate place for it. If you really feel some burning need to make an exceedingly simple joke, well, 4chan still exists last time I checked. |
Every thread we make is with a point - what's the value of a thread like "Shadow Blade I liked to say" vs. "Word Association"? Word Association is currently 68 pages of ~1 word posts, "Shadow Blade I liked to say" is only four pages, and until the Izzhov hate flared up in that thread it was genuinely funny stuff. And look what happened - after a couple of pages, people had enough and it died off. It didn't need to be locked down once people had lost interest (although we did vote to Treasury it).
Good things can happen in those silly threads, and it always feels like being sucker-punched when one's cut out in its prime.
'Go to 4chan' is not a suitable solution because I don't enjoy the 4chan community the same way I enjoy the fcmidi community.
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But what's to say you couldn't have posted that in the OTT? If an idea is popular enough, it should get replies regardless of where it's posted. Maybe not to the number of replies an individual thread would get, but that's hardly a justification for the individual thread.
| Quote: | | We're not asking to turn this into a spamboard where we post whatever pops into our head - all we're asking is, in instances where these kind of threads do happen, the threads don't get locked on the grounds of 'you could've posted this in the OTT' or 'this doesn't have a point.' |
I hear your point, but, three problems with that:
1. A thread like "disillustioned" would still have to be locked because it really did have no point - it wasn't meant to be a joke thread. That said, it would fall on the moderators to make the judgement calls over what's funny and what isn't. And I'm pretty sure you guys don't want us to make those calls any more than we'd like to make them ourselves.
2. Pattern recognition isn't enough, for me at least, to be assured there won't be a flood of these threads. We've had so few in the past because it has been the rule to not make them... and while a couple of them may have been funny, they were/are still against that rule, so there was less incentive to make them.
3. No matter how many of them there are, we can't let them stay around for two full months. Izzhov mentions the subforum thing again, but the other mods appear to be against it. And honestly, I'd agree with them if there were a way to auto-prune these threads after 24 hours while they're in Gobbledygook. I don't think it's possible, but if we are going to implement this, it would be absolutely necessary.
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