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 Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: XD LOL SO RANDOM! |
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| Upsilon wrote: | | chzrm3 wrote: | I'd be all for treasury-ing the OTT if it meant we could post threads without having to worry about 'Is this not serious enough? Will it be locked?!?!?!  ', and that kind of stuff. |
Whoa, hold on a second. Don't do this, it would be extremely silly. Getting rid of the OTT to save joke thread security would be like cutting off your face to make your toes slightly more attractive. |
Ahh, you haven't seen my toes - every little bit helps!
But in all seriousness, you're right. Sorry, suggesting we kill the OTT was a bit extreme, it's just... I don't get why the two can't co-exist, you know? Why can't we have the OTT that's for all the things that happen in the OTT, and then also, y'know, be allowed to post a thread that isn't about politics/computer problems/some sort of game/music/website?
The thing is that the OTT has no focus. It's the very nature of it. So if you want to make a thread about drunk-ness (ie Your mom is drunk), posting something in the OTT saying "LOL guys lets talk about drunken-ness" isn't nearly the same.
Maybe you can maintain the interest for three, four posts? I've seen it happen. But more than that, and it's gone - and if there's potential for people to enjoy that topic, why dis-allow it?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: I love my puddin' Cows etc. |
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| chzrm3 wrote: | | Why can't we have the OTT that's for all the things that happen in the OTT, and then also, y'know, be allowed to post in a thread that isn't about politics/computer problems/some sort of game/music/website? |
We can! There's also a thread about vegetarianism!  |
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Cheese Monkey
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: XD LOL SO RANDOM! |
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| chzrm3 wrote: | Edit: CM, you never addressed my initial question. Until you do, this conversation isn't going to go anywhere. Because, look.
| Quote: | | But that way wasn't going to happen, because at the end of the day those threads don't have a place here. |
Yes they do. CM, this is not a job. This is not a forum for school, or work, or something. This is for fun. Those threads are fun. People enjoy and participate in them. Therefore, they have a place here.
So please, please, please. Can you explain to me, and everyone else in this thread, why you adhere so much to this 'no-nonsense' rule? |
Because "this thread is fun", by itself, is not a valid reason for its existance. Fun is subjective. I could post a thread with gory pictures in it, and by your logic it would have to stay. Why? Because someone on the forums finds it "fun." Remember when we had discussions over a "NSFW" thread? I was actually in favor of that one, albeit with some restrictions (most of the other mods shot that down). I'm sure some people found that "fun." Personal preference is not a factor in whether a thread lives or dies.
| Quote: | | I'd be all for treasury-ing the OTT if it meant we could post threads without having to worry about 'Is this not serious enough? Will it be locked?!?!?! ', and that kind of stuff. |
And that's a good point, but therein lies the problem: the OTT was (re)created(on 3.0) and stickied for the purpose of not having those threads pile up.
| Quote: | | My point was that Damian's belief, being that he cannot approach you and expect you to understand where he's coming from, is based on actions like what happened in that thread. You kind of completely ignored that, and just compared us to screaming children. I'd say 'case closed' as far as 'Is CM receptive to criticism?' is concerned. : P |
"Receptive" does not mean "agreeing with whatever you say." -_-
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chzrm3
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: I love my puddin' Cows etc. |
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| Izzhov wrote: | | chzrm3 wrote: | | Why can't we have the OTT that's for all the things that happen in the OTT, and then also, y'know, be allowed to post in a thread that isn't about politics/computer problems/some sort of game/music/website? |
We can! There's also a thread about vegetarianism! |
...are you serious?
There is?
Where, in gobbledeegook?
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Cheese Monkey
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Just saw this:
| Quote: | The thing is that the OTT has no focus. It's the very nature of it. So if you want to make a thread about drunk-ness (ie Your mom is drunk), posting something in the OTT saying "LOL guys lets talk about drunken-ness" isn't nearly the same.
Maybe you can maintain the interest for three, four posts? I've seen it happen. But more than that, and it's gone - and if there's potential for people to enjoy that topic, why dis-allow it? |
THIS is a valid point, and its something we're discussing in the mod cave. No, the OTT has no focus. But what, then, would you say it does for the community?
If we were to have these threads appear and be valid, the only way I can see it happening is to have different filtering rules for them. Something like, "it stays for three days and then dies, posts or no posts." The thread content strikes me as something you'd post on 4chan, and as such, shouldn't stick around any longer than something on 4chan would.
EDIT: And again, it's still more or less spam. Fun spam, maybe, but still spam. You can't put everything under the banner of "it's fun." See above post.
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JK9000
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: XD LOL SO RANDOM! |
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| Cheese Monkey wrote: | | Because "this thread is fun", by itself, is not a valid reason for its existance. Fun is subjective. I could post a thread with gory pictures in it, and by your logic it would have to stay. Why? Because someone on the forums finds it "fun." Remember when we had discussions over a "NSFW" thread? I was actually in favor of that one, albeit with some restrictions (most of the other mods shot that down). I'm sure some people found that "fun." Personal preference is not a factor in whether a thread lives or dies. |
I think a key difference there is that gore and/or porn threads would be actively offensive to others. I don't think anyone could take offense to Disillusiuned" (or however it was spelled), making it essentially harmless. |
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chzrm3
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: LAWLS RET PALLIES OMFG |
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| Quote: | | Because "this thread is fun", by itself, is not a valid reason for its existance. Fun is subjective. I could post a thread with gory pictures in it, and by your logic it would have to stay. Why? Because someone on the forums finds it "fun." Remember when we had discussions over a "NSFW" thread? I was actually in favor of that one, albeit with some restrictions (most of the other mods shot that down). I'm sure some people found that "fun." Personal preference is not a factor in whether a thread lives or dies. |
Okay, how about the "Your Mom is Drunk" thread, which everybody enjoyed. Even you posted in it, and seemed to be having fun! But then you noticed it violated a rule that was harming no one in that particular case, and locked it.
| Quote: | | And that's a good point, but therein lies the problem: the OTT was (re)created(on 3.0) and stickied for the purpose of not having those threads pile up. |
True, but it's certainly evolved since then. It's not really a recepticle for random thoughts and discussions - it's a seething mass of whatever people feel like talking about. And I love it, don't get me wrong, but it leaves something to be desired, ya know?
| Quote: | | "Receptive" does not mean "agreeing with whatever you say." -_- |
Thanks?
The point still stands - when you have occurances like that, where you just, y'know, don't listen to people's opinions and feelings, it doesn't spread a "come to us with problems, and we'll help you = )" sort of climate.
| Quote: | THIS is a valid point, and its something we're discussing in the mod cave. No, the OTT has no focus. But what, then, would you say it does for the community?
If we were to have these threads appear and be valid, the only way I can see it happening is to have different filtering rules for them. Something like, "it stays for three days and then dies, posts or no posts." The thread content strikes me as something you'd post on 4chan, and as such, shouldn't stick around any longer than something on 4chan would. |
Well, the OTT has become a fixture on these boards, as much as our yearly holiday, our long-winded debates, and Dr. F himself! It's a staple of the community, and I don't think you can ever quantify what something like that 'does' for a group of people.
In the same vein, our usage of the now-legendary (omg don't kill me plz tommy) thread has certainly changed... while the rule of 'nonsense goes into OTT' has remained stationary. I'm not sure what an ideal solution would be.
But I'm glad we're talking about it. !!!
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No read comprehension is not your strong point so I'll you a picture for you. -ubeenhad, just before he a picture for me[/quote]
[quote="Wormy"]I wish I could supply, as everyone else as, good news regarding my love life but sadly not as I am currently shagging a fat girl until I find someone better. [/quote]
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Cheese Monkey
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| Quote: | | The point still stands - when you have occurances like that, where you just, y'know, don't listen to people's opinions and feelings, it doesn't spread a "come to us with problems, and we'll help you = )" sort of climate. |
What happened in that thread? You petitioned for me to not lock it. I did anyway. You saw it as an act of spite, but it wasn't. So, what's your point? Did I not clarify it well enough? Because I think I've clarified it well enough everywhere else. -_-
| Quote: | | I think a key difference there is that gore and/or porn threads would be actively offensive to others. I don't think anyone could take offense to Disillusiuned" (or however it was spelled), making it essentially harmless. |
"But it's fun!" It doesn't matter what rule it breaks - it's fun!
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chzrm3
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: O_O |
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| Quote: | THIS is a valid point, and its something we're discussing in the mod cave. No, the OTT has no focus. But what, then, would you say it does for the community?
If we were to have these threads appear and be valid, the only way I can see it happening is to have different filtering rules for them. Something like, "it stays for three days and then dies, posts or no posts." The thread content strikes me as something you'd post on 4chan, and as such, shouldn't stick around any longer than something on 4chan would. |
Well, the OTT has become a fixture on these boards, as much as our yearly holiday, our long-winded debates, and Dr. F himself! It's a staple of the community, and I don't think you can ever quantify what something like that 'does' for a group of people.
In the same vein, our usage of the now-legendary (omg don't kill me plz tommy) thread has certainly changed... while the rule of 'nonsense goes into OTT' has remained stationary. I'm not sure what an ideal solution would be.
But I'm glad we're talking about it. !!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheese Monkey wrote: | | Quote: | | The point still stands - when you have occurances like that, where you just, y'know, don't listen to people's opinions and feelings, it doesn't spread a "come to us with problems, and we'll help you = )" sort of climate. |
What happened in that thread? You petitioned for me to not lock it. I did anyway. You saw it as an act of spite, but it wasn't. So, what's your point? Did I not clarify it well enough? Because I think I've clarified it well enough everywhere else. -_-
| Quote: | | I think a key difference there is that gore and/or porn threads would be actively offensive to others. I don't think anyone could take offense to Disillusiuned" (or however it was spelled), making it essentially harmless. |
"But it's fun!" It doesn't matter what rule it breaks - it's fun! |
I've said this in the mod cave, but, rules exist for a reason. We don't allow gore/porn threads because they offend; we don't allow spam threads becuase they clutter and encourage erratic posting.
So, no, I don't think "it is against the rules" is all by itself a reason to disallow something. We have to ask why its against the rules, you know? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I've said this in the mod cave, but, rules exist for a reason. We don't allow gore/porn threads because they offend; we don't allow spam threads becuase they clutter and encourage erratic posting.
So, no, I don't think "it is against the rules" is all by itself a reason to disallow something. We have to ask why its against the rules, you know? |
Of course. That's the nature of the game. But there's a right way to do it, and this is a pretty good one... and there are wrong ways to do it, and public ridicule of the rule is a wrong way.
| Quote: | In the same vein, our usage of the now-legendary (omg don't kill me plz tommy) thread has certainly changed... while the rule of 'nonsense goes into OTT' has remained stationary. I'm not sure what an ideal solution would be.
But I'm glad we're talking about it. !!! |
Same. What does everyone think of splitting this thread into a discussion on it?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: LETS GO GO GO |
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| Cheese Monkey wrote: |
Same. What does everyone think of splitting this thread into a discussion on it? |
Woot! I'm confused (but yet excited!)
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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...if I haven't mentioned this already in this thread, the mod cave is having a discussion on an all-encompassing rules thread. This is another common complaint we've heard, and it's why I haven't handed out almost any warnings for these rules. Once they're set in stone, though, you can expect more consistent enforcement of them.
This will also apply to the swearing rule, most likely (though we haven't gotten to discussion of that one yet). I've been playing around with wordfilters and we could start using them if necessary. I've come up with a way, with help from Fruity, to put random phrases in place of a given word. For instance, I tried doing the "fortune" thing from 4chan... check it out:
It changes every refresh of the page, though, which isn't that great.  (And no, as of right now you guys can't do it... pasting the script link will do nothing, you'd have to know what trigger word I made up  )
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On that unrelated note, if you really want to get picky about swearing wordfilters are fine with me. At least for the 'really bad' ones. No one's ever had a problem with some of the words.
Anyway... I don't know if I can add anything to this, but basically... I think that Gobbledygook should encompass games and less serious threads. Honestly, I know exactly what Chiz is saying about the OTT. You just can't hold a discussion there at all. It all deviates. It's a great place to go in and say random stuff, but it's not if you actually want to talk about something for more than like 4 posts. I don't think they necessarily need another set of rules and guidelines, either; we could experiment with it if we wanted, or whatever. I wouldn't expect us to jump onto that with wild abandon and totally abuse the new rules or whatever.
| Quote: | | What does everyone think of splitting this thread into a discussion on it? |
Go for it, this discussion has no real place in this thread.
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| CM wrote: | | Words on a page |
The enforcement of the rules needs to change, not the rules themselves.
This forum exists as a place for friends, or at least friendly discussion between strangers. You've mentioned threads not having a purpose before. If people want to have fun in a joke thread, then THAT'S the purpose. A thread shouldn't be locked or deleted in Gobbledygook unless:
A) It was clearly designed to irritate other posters (note that you don't count, CM, because everything irritates you).
B) It is obscene or offensive in some way.
C) It has run dry and someone keeps necroposting/bumping it.
D) There's another thread like it, whether there's a thread with the same topic in misc. or there was a double post, or whatever.
B and C are easily considered part of A, and D exists to remove clutter. Actually I think there's a merge thread feature as well, so D would have limited use to begin with. And if a thread isn't "serious" enough for Misc., just move it instead of deleting it for no reason.
If you're so thin-skinned, you should drop your modship.
(and give it to me; i kno html)
Really though, your problem seems to be refusing to admit that you're anything but perfect. Your moderator status wasn't given to you by God Himself. It was given to you by another human being, and it was most likely a mistake. Here's why:
| Quote: | | You don't "bait" a damned moderator. It's ridiculous. No other forum would ever allow this. But I hope you've enjoyed it, because it's going to stop. The other mods are behind me on this, too - whether or not you agree with an act of moderation does not permit you to do any of this. |
Okay, ASIDE from the fact that I know of and have gone to forums where the atmosphere is laid-back and mods pretty much serve the will of the people (and therefore aren't easily baited), doesn't this sound a little authoritarian? If you make a wrong decision, it's wrong no matter what. If other mods stand behind you, it doesn't make you right; it makes them wrong too. You value your mod status too much. That's causing you to treat mods and admins more respectably than you treat regular posters, and to think you deserve the same respect from us. Worse yet, you think you've got the authority to punish people for disagreeing with you. This happens a lot, too.
We had a short exchange over PMs after that Asperger's thread that I think is relevant to this situation.
| In a PM, you wrote: | | that is is not an invitation to ridicule and pick apart every act of moderation which ever occurs. On most other forums you'd probably be banned for something like that. If you have a problem with me or the requests I make, take them up with me personally through PMs (or bug Fruity if you like, but don't expect him to respond to "BAWWW, CM WONT LET ME SAY FAG"). I am not the only moderator who's noticed this, by the way. I'm asking you nicely first: please cut this out. |
My response was short and I haven't changed my mind since then: The type of message board where I would get banned for something so trivial isn't generally the kind I would stick around at anyway, so don't expect any threats of that kind to be effective.
| Quote: | | Not a threat, simply a statement of fact. Whether or not you agree with any particular act of moderation or request, you should not expect to ridicule it without reprimand. I say "act" here to highlight the fact that we rarely ever have to do anything - locks, warnings... the community in general is mature enough that we don't need many of them. When we do, though, it causes an even bigger mess, and it really isn't fair. We try to do what's best for this community, and we realize that some people won't see eye to eye with us in every situation. This is why I said, if you have a problem, bring it up with me in PMs. The fact that we're moderators does not make us inherently unreasonable, and for some people that's the problem: no matter what we do, some people assume we're being mean / abusing power / etc., just because they've seen that before from some other mod on some other forum. If you have a legitimate concern, you have a legitimate concern - and hell, you might be right about it too. But putting them in the form of public ridicule solves nothing, at best. |
So yeah, guys. CM does have consistency going for him. I didn't respond to this back then because I didn't even bother reading it for weeks, and the window of opportunity had expired, but:
PMs are a rather invisible way of addressing a problem, which is what I assume you like about them. That's also their problem. Ridicule is much more effective at getting people to notice you and at influencing their behavior. I can tell without sending you a PM every time you close a popular thread that you think rules are more important than the people who are supposed to benefit from those rules. It's not as though I could say, "Unlock that thread. We were enjoying it," and expect you to reply with anything other than a copy-paste of a rule and a nebulous threat.
Even now, you seem to only be considering changing the rules (and therefore the way you act) because the other mods and admins are talking about it.
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| Quote: | | ...if I haven't mentioned this already in this thread, the mod cave is having a discussion on an all-encompassing rules thread. This is another common complaint we've heard, and it's why I haven't handed out almost any warnings for these rules. Once they're set in stone, though, you can expect more consistent enforcement of them. |
Unless you guys are more precise with words than I think you are, this won't help anything. Rules that don't need to be enforced are being enforced. I actually think a list of rules would be bad, because I have no doubt that someone will be able to find something disruptive that's NOT against the rules.
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| Quote: | | Okay, ASIDE from the fact that I know of and have gone to forums where the atmosphere is laid-back and mods pretty much serve the will of the people (and therefore aren't easily baited), doesn't this sound a little authoritarian? If you make a wrong decision, it's wrong no matter what. If other mods stand behind you, it doesn't make you right; it makes them wrong too. You value your mod status too much. That's causing you to treat mods and admins more respectably than you treat regular posters, and to think you deserve the same respect from us. Worse yet, you think you've got the authority to punish people for disagreeing with you. This happens a lot, too. |
It's hard to take you seriously if you truly feel like I set out to spite you. Do you know why we mods treat each others' decisions with respect? Two reasons, mainly. The most important one is, that if we don't want to be constantly negating them in view of the public. But the other one? We (all of us, since Lunar left) know each other IRL.
You call the decision wrong, I call the decision right. The "will of the people" is never uniform. And I never "punish" because people disagree with me. It's the manner in which they do it. Which leads us back to PMs:
| Quote: | | PMs are a rather invisible way of addressing a problem, which is what I assume you like about them. That's also their problem. Ridicule is much more effective at getting people to notice you and at influencing their behavior. |
But the point of any act of moderation is to get it out of the public eye. That's why public ridicule isn't acceptable.
| Quote: | | I can tell without sending you a PM every time you close a popular thread that you think rules are more important than the people who are supposed to benefit from those rules. It's not as though I could say, "Unlock that thread. We were enjoying it," and expect you to reply with anything other than a copy-paste of a rule and a nebulous threat. |
For just sending me the PM asking me to unlock it? Why would I say that? Usually by that point you had already been engaged in public ridicule.
As for who benefits from the rules... wouldn't you say, though, that people can benefit from a rule without agreeing with it? If the public wanted no rule against flaming, for instance, well, then locking a thread for flaming would be "going against the will of the people." But it's still necessary.
| Quote: | | Even now, you seem to only be considering changing the rules (and therefore the way you act) because the other mods and admins are talking about it. |
FYI, it was me who opened the discussion again. It had lost steam since back on 2.0.
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Wordfilters? Yeah, I'd be fine with that... whenever I'm cursing I usually just mash on the keyboard anyway, (ie: $#@% you ya dirty $#@%!) As long as it's not too restrictive, I'm fine with 'em.
And yeah, my opinion as far as Gobbledeegook is more or less like Damian's, Dpal's, and, while I don't want to put words in their mouth, probably like most of the people on the boards. That is to say, I think it becoming a 'forum for anything else' is ideal. Heck, I guess if that doesn't really taste right to you guys (maybe you don't like the idea of game threads competing with these other threads), you could always make another forum, move the OTT there, and then do something like you were saying, with a much smaller inactive cut-off.
I'm just throwing ideas out right now, but there's one fundamental principle that I think everyone (on my end, anyway) can agree on - no popular, enjoyable thread should ever be shut-off because it's not really about anything anymore, or has strayed off topic, or something like that.
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Yes, I was talking to the 'cave about maybe making a sub-board for those threads. But the point of it being a sub-board would be to place different pruning measures on it... namely, those which make the most sense for the kinds of threads you'd make there.
Also, we haven't heard from all the mods yet, so we're waiting on it. I'd not like to go through with everything without every mod's consent, and I dunno what Orby will say about what's essentially a "spam forum." So, yeah.
As for the swear filters, well, I wasn't sure if we should do that yet. I like to think you guys are mature enough that we wouldn't need them. That said, this is just another rule that people like to "bait" me over. So I've stopped explaining myself when I do it, I just edit the posts of people who do it.
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Really, why do we need all these pruning things, and potentially shorter pruning times, and all that? It's not like we have so many threads and so many members that our forums become supremely disorganized and cluttered. I'm just curious on that one... I never even found the Treasury particularly necessary. Throughout the course of 2.0 we maybe had 2 or 3 pages of threads in Misc, tops... It's not like we're dealing with hundreds of pages of random threads that will die off from being pushed back a few pages like on big forums.
Shrug.
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*shrug also*
Ask Dragon... he felt like there were too many threads back on 2.0. It had to do with database size, that's what I remember.
The pruning measures in this theoretical new board wouldn't be for the database's sake, they're for the OTT's sake and to reflect what kind of threads they are.
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Well yes. But I'm just curious why a forum like ours even has pruning measures. If Dagron did it for a good reason (maybe something relative to database size caused our crash?) then that's cool, otherwise I'm kind of curious. Chances are any of our forums, even a new pseudo-spam forum, would never really get "cluttered".
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| Damian wrote: | | maybe something relative to database size caused our crash? |
That's exactly what caused it, in fact. The database got too big for its britches and sploded because, in Dagron's words, "no one was ever taking out the trash". So the pruner needs to stay.
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Just wondering - how much is 'too much'? We've got what, ~15,000 posts in total? What's a 'bad' situation to be in, 100,00?
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While I've always found the idea of banning words kind of humorous, I wouldn't really be bothered by a word filter, as long as it didn't filter out stuff like assassin or snigger.
EDIT: Wouldn't splitting Gobbledygook into two subforums increase the database size more than keeping everything in one forum would? Also, I don't mind pruning, since I rarely have to go back to old threads on these boards.
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Then how on earth are there such massive forums running off the same system (phpBB) as ours? That's just weird...
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